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Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
hey guys,
This is one of the toughest cases i've come across in my clinicals.. plz help !! The patient a 55 year old male has an anterolisthesis of L5 over Sacrum ( GRADE I) and Disc protrusion at L3-4 . Patient is also a Bronchitis patient.The patient presents with buttock pain left sided with radiating pain down the whole lower limb. i've not assessed him completely for muscle strength, sensation.. etc.. Pain increases on sitting and walking short distances. Also dyspnoea on exertion. I'm sooooooo confused wat to do.. give flexion exercises or extension exercises.. traction or mobilization.. god plz help.. Thanks a lot.. |
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
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In general you wouldn't mobilise as this would make things worse. Also due to the biomechanics of the anterolisthesis you would want to avoid extension. I generally strengthen global flexors (Rectus abdominis etc) to help him control extension. hope this helps Paul |
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
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P.S If you have the X-rays some general grading info is as follows: In anterolisthesis, the upper vertebral body is positioned abnormally compared to the vertebral body below it. More specifically, the upper vertebral body slips forward on the one below. The amount of slippage is graded on a scale from 1 to 4. Grade 1 is mild (20% slippage), while grade 4 is severe (100% slippage).
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
u shud go for core muscle stabilization (both flexors as well as extensors)
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Ammmm,
so u gave ur attentions to anterspodylolithesis ,but what about disc protrusions (i'm wondring it's direction!! is being what), also the patient painful position is sitting i don't know if this is a sign of canal stenosis !! IF so what would be the appropriate positions and physical therapy approach for this patient ?? Really this is an intersting case so plz any could give useful inputs really would be great.... Regards ![]() |
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1- Does the pain increase with cough & sneeze? as the patient is bronchitic. 2- what does sitting on soft surfaces or on hard surfaces do to his pain? 3- what does supine & prone positions do to his pain. 4- what is his SLR & his other examinations throw up? What could be giving him his symptoms may be the disc or the listhesis. spondy's are better sitting. central disc protrusions are better walking. stenosis is out because they are better sitting not worse. This seems to be a case of a symptomatic postero-lat disc, from the limited information I have . Reduce it & the job is done. It has to be done carefully though, as the listhesis seem's to be silent now, dont make it symptomatic with your treatment. Core work up will do well at the end of the session, but it should be done without loading the disc. asha |
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
Hi,
Peter O'Sullivan did his PhD work in this area. The relevant is... Quote:
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
Hey.. thanks everyone.. well i've been working on the core stabilizers and the exercises seem to help.. Relieving the pain by giving Interferential currents and heat..
One query remains in my mind.. that in general when we treat a disc protrusion with continuous bed or machine traction then how well do we assess that it has gone in.. and wat r the chances it wont come back out.. does core stabilization help after traction is done.. thanks a lott.. And this really is one of those cool cases one wud die for.. by the way got another interesting one.. a head injury.. will discuss it in the neuro section sometime.. Thanks.. |
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
Hi,
I wouldn't bother with the other treatments including the traction. They would only be for short term relief only. Traction is not going to "get something back in". What is out in the first place? Peter O'Sullivan's work showed quite clearly that the active approach is the way to go. All the other modalities are ok but don't contribute to the solution. These would have been included in his control group (usual care from practitioner). But specific stabilisation exercises are the way to help these people. That is why his study was published in Spine - A journal for spinal surgeons. BTW, what do you consider core exercises to be??? |
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
Traction & interferential wont do anything much. It would just give a temporary feel better read up with the patient. Mckenzie methods would give quicker results in such cases. When functional mobilization is started, it would take care of the patients spondy status. Keep working on the spine stabilizers it would give results when functional mobs are started. This would also improve load bearing strategies of the patient.
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
hey,
well spinal stabilization exercises include all exercises which work on abs and muscles of the back.. those done in bridging, quadruped position, kneeling, also isometrics to lower back and abdominals.. there can be progression of these from a lower grade to increasing difficulties.. a gym ball can also be used.. we basically strengthen the core stabilizers.. |
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
Hi.
You are right about strengthening the stabilisers. However, most patients are progressed to advanced stages too quickly. One of the things addressed in the specific study that O'Sullivan did was ensure effective isolation of the TA and Multifidus before integration into functional movements and activities. Using global muscles strategies (all the other abdominal muscles apart from TA, erector spinae, lats, gluts, hams, etc) are inappropriate if isolation cannot be achieved. This includes Swiss balls. I know people who have come to see me after being given Swiss ball exercises who cannot even stand on one leg properly yet are doing high load exercises - they are fine when doing weights in the gym or hard Swiss ball exercises but stand them against a wall and lift one leg up and they struggle to do so. With the research that is out there concerning core stability training, the weight of it tends towards isolation before integration into functional activities. For a good summary on this topic, www.back-exercises.com has a nice summary about progressions of exercises. Thanks |
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
Listhesis itself is completely asymptomatic untill it exertes pressure on nurvous system. In many radiograph provide subjective element of having listhesis. But most of them are completely asumptomatic.
So, dont rely on radiograph somuch for clinical decession making. In very rare situation listhesis can produce unilateral pain. So, in ur case, lets think again about symptomatic listhesis. The clinical image shows that the patient has postero-lateral disc harniation or protrution exerting pressure on left nerve root. No matter where. Because it is not possible to say even with clear visualized herniation on MRI that this or that disc is producing symptoms. In many cases there are big protrusion with associated smaller protrution beside its level. Who can say by any objective physical examination that this disc is producing the symptom? So, u can perform rotation manipulation of the Lx spine under manual traction. That will be safe. |
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
Hi,
With all due respect, if there is a Xray showing a pars defect causing the anterolithesis, then DO NOT MANIPULATE. The person can be considered to have spinal instability. The disc would be the only structure providing a physical barrier to rotation. If it is a degenerative anterolithesis - that is no pars defect, then that is a different matter. UNlikely to be a big disc bulge or protrusion since there seems to be investigations such as CT or MRI already done. More likely to be annular compromise leading to chemical sensitisation of the nerve roots if the source of the symptoms is disc or nerve root irritation. Don't forget his SIJ... |
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Re: Spondylolisthesis and disc protrusion
Physiotherapy should not be started until after an adequate rest period and once pain with daily activities has subsided.
In acute case, the goal of physiotherapy is to reduce the extension stresses and to promote the strengthening of elements that promote the antilordotic posture. So the exercises prescribed are that strengthen the abdominal muscles ( Williams' flexion biased exercises); and the exercises that increases the flexibility to stretch the spinal extensor muscles, hamstrings and dorsolumbar fascia. Thoracolumbosacral orthosis ( Boston type antihyperlordotic brace) is very effective in those who do not respond to activities of daily living restriction with slippage less than 50% and is worn for 3-6 months. In the recovery phase, the antilordotic strengthening and flexibility exercises for spine and lower extremity ( progressive spinal stabilization) is emphasized. In maintenance phase, patient should continue to do the spinal stablization programme which include stretching and strengthening of spinal and lower extremity. |